Just a returning player with concerns?

[sYm]

So basically there is only one map that is on constant rotation?

Well that is never fun for a new player to eventually find out how long it will take them to get into the top 25? Its kinda lame...

Should atleast have 2-3 maps that are standard and not rotate... The reason why I came back was for some reason I thought of a cool team theme and now that I see there is almost 2 teams per color when only one map is available is stupid... How easy is it to have the top25 for 2-3 maps plus a top 25 overall? Different maps give the option of having different teams on each map...

Team many dang awards are being handed out.... Its like everyone has all the special awards and its not special at all... Either bring in more or stop handing them out so often...

I always thought a week long tourney or month long tourney would be pretty cool. Have a certain map open 24/7 for a month or maybe just a few hours a day, this would get people to play more often not wanting to miss out on those hours it was open everyday. Make new awards for these winners meaning only 12 people would actually get the top prize a year. I like the month long tourney idea open maybe 3-4 hours everyday.

[The_Revelation]

Welcome back!

All great concerns, but this post is probably better suited in the "ideas" part of the forum.

[Jordann]

the awards only go out every 3 months. In tankpit it was every month, and alot of people managed to win multiple awards in a few months from both superior submissions and lack of competition. I dont think the specials hold any less value in tankpit standards. itll take a long time and a big boom in players before it feels like battlefields specials in terms of rarity.

I agree with multiple maps. even putting a disclaimer that the stats may be merged into the world map if 2 maps cant be sustained. That way you have an out incase it does go wrong. Another map is needed to be the safe haven for new players and balance out the scales of mobs. In utanks 2 maps didnt work because the game was funnest when it was a 10v10 and you could take on massive mobs. tankpits damage is much higher compared to utanks, therefore raids become less enjoyable and more frustrating as the numbers hit 7+v1.

[sYm]

Yeah I definitely noticed the damage change when I was 3v1 today on my first time playing in a year or longer.

[Headhunters]

who are you?

[Jordann]

Battlefield-8

[sYm]

That is one sexy fucking tank!

God I wish I would I shinered it now... :/

[iwasperdition]

So basically there is only one map that is on constant rotation?
yes and its terrible
Well that is never fun for a new player to eventually find out how long it will take them to get into the top 25? Its kinda lame...
but you can't expand until the map is overflowing God forbid expansion hoping for growth rather then the fear of the player base not changing
Should atleast have 2-3 maps that are standard and not rotate... The reason why I came back was for some reason I thought of a cool team theme and now that I see there is almost 2 teams per color when only one map is available is stupid... How easy is it to have the top25 for 2-3 maps plus a top 25 overall? Different maps give the option of having different teams on each map...
echo of the rest of us for quite some time
Team many dang awards are being handed out.... Its like everyone has all the special awards and its not special at all... Either bring in more or stop handing them out so often...
disagree, only reason you see so many specials is the player base is low
I always thought a week long tourney or month long tourney would be pretty cool. Have a certain map open 24/7 for a month or maybe just a few hours a day, this would get people to play more often not wanting to miss out on those hours it was open everyday. Make new awards for these winners meaning only 12 people would actually get the top prize a year. I like the month long tourney idea open maybe 3-4 hours everyday.
we have pushed for random things like this. denied so far.

moving it to the right forum as well.

[SW]

Considering that there's barely interest in a 2 hour tourny, I don't think week long one would go down too well. It would be dead after a day at most, with a small handful of people PPHing until they had a clear victory.

[PD3.0]

So basically there is only one map that is on constant rotation?

Well that is never fun for a new player to eventually find out how long it will take them to get into the top 25? Its kinda lame...

Should atleast have 2-3 maps that are standard and not rotate... The reason why I came back was for some reason I thought of a cool team theme and now that I see there is almost 2 teams per color when only one map is available is stupid... How easy is it to have the top25 for 2-3 maps plus a top 25 overall? Different maps give the option of having different teams on each map...

Team many dang awards are being handed out.... Its like everyone has all the special awards and its not special at all... Either bring in more or stop handing them out so often...

I always thought a week long tourney or month long tourney would be pretty cool. Have a certain map open 24/7 for a month or maybe just a few hours a day, this would get people to play more often not wanting to miss out on those hours it was open everyday. Make new awards for these winners meaning only 12 people would actually get the top prize a year. I like the month long tourney idea open maybe 3-4 hours everyday.

Two 24/7 maps (not practice) would be nice. But I just don't know that the player base is there to support it.

It seems like everyone has specials because most of the people that have achieved them have stuck around or play their tank with the special on it most of the time. If you look at past award winners, only 5 Purple Hearts have been handed out in TPv2 in over a year and a half. Many DoTs in that time, but I assume that's because of running into numerous bugs and glitches throughout implementation and updating. Some of the awards you see were transferred from TPv1 too.

No lengthy tourneys. It just gives a much better chance to whoever can play the most hours and potentially cheat the easiest. Would you really want to see active numbers in a tourney look like 9-12-10-11? Tournaments are all about a fair chance on even grounds. The ability to play more time than others is NOT what tourneys are about. That is what the main map is for.

[SW]

Regarding 2 maps, it's now fully supported, the biggest thing to figure out is what to do with the existing World map. Keep it rotating and open 1 other non-rotating map?

Sadly, opening a new set of stats would probably kill activity in the old one, unless it was an unpopular map.

Although a low-activity world map wouldn't be too bad - it could be a way for players to try out random maps, since it's unlikely that all of the maps will ever be open at once (especially if new ones continue to be added).

Opening 2 maps with the same stats is also an option. Having more leaderboards beyond the current top25 (monthly, yearly, etc) is planned.

[X-HayS-X]

a new fresh map is needed. but should have a launch date set in advance

[shermanfrombf]

dropping this idea again since i think relevant to what sunwolf said

1. have a community voting poll on the tankpit home page for 1 month with every rotatable map.

2. there's like 18 rotatable maps total or something. the top 9 highest voted favorite maps will always be in the top rotation and the least voted less liked 9 maps will be in a second rotation starting at the end of the voting month. daily map voting applies normally this point forward with new method. voting once for popular and once for unpopular.

3. this allows at all times there will be 1 of the 9 favorite maps and 1 of 9 least favorite maps available to play every day. giving the options of supporting high quality raiding and taking in one map, and the cowards and pussies playing in the community voted shitty map with a penalty of playing in said shitty maps.

4. ???

5. profit.

for added lulz and excitement we can all organize to hop to the least liked map and chase the established faggots and pussies around. and back and forth to fuck with them



imo I would personally like to see this finalized vote as I feel would yield the best balanced activity;

popular map rotation.
desert, rocks, tron, the pit, crazy maze, castles, elements, the nile, foundry

least popular rotation
aquarium, Iceland, deep six, metropolis, appaloosa land, crazy waters, levels, orbital, badlands

[sYm]

Having the main map that rotates everyday would give people the chance to play different maps.

The second map should be the most popular which my guess would be desert, this one would not be in the main map rotation and would have its ownsseparate stats. If by chance this works out good then maybe open another one in a year or so. Thus giving this one a good head start with stats and established teams.

Is in the month long tourney I will message you SW, I came up with a great way to possibly make this work but I will need to get off work first to write it out on a computer lol.

[SW]

Is in the month long tourney I will message you SW, I came up with a great way to possibly make this work but I will need to get off work first to write it out on a computer lol.

Feel free to discuss it here publicly, as many others have. :-)

[sYm]

Id much rather PM you due to the complexity of the scoring system that I came up with :)

[ROLLINGTHUNDER]

I agree, we need more than one map that we can play on. Atleast 2 or 3 I wouldn't care if stats reset for the new maps. As for the tournaments I think they are fine the way the they are currently but don't like the whole making a new tank for every tournament and cupping in it every single game.

[DemonicTank]

Wow, such a Happy topic ;-)

[shermanfrombf]

why does everything have to come down to resetting stats with you people?...

"something new might come out" AMG RESET STATS LKSJHGSLDKFG

[The_Revelation]

Meh, sherman - just treat it like you defeated Vorago in runescape and now you beat the game. Its not a reset, you actually won. Congratulations, your a winner!

[shermanfrombf]

i never killed vorago before

[sYm]

Its not about resetting stats... Its about starting another map that is not on rotation with its own top25... See how that is much different than resetting?

[shermanfrombf]

was talking about what rollingthunder said

[theintern]

My quick 2 cents cuz I'm running behind.

New map = not sustainable. It's just not. We routinely have 6-10 players in the main map as is. Just can't see a new map providing enough of an uptick in activity. It will be just like the end of battlefield all over again when all of the maps except desert had like 2 people in them "pphing".

I completely understand the frustration of players who just began a tank though and see the all time top 25 list as daunting. It's supposed to be that way though because it is an accomplishment to get there. Which brings me to what is in my opinion the underlying issue. There needs to be an intermediate accomplishment. Right now the game rewards players for competition against others in tournaments and very long term play. Everything else (raids, swords, no death medal, etc) comes from personal competition. The way I see it you are forced to compete in a 100m sprint (tournament) or a 100 mile ultramarathon (all time list). It sucks for the person who just started running to have to compete that way.

Which is why I don't think the concept of a month long tourney is necessarily a bad idea. It would be like the 5k in the running world. If newer players tried to make the top of the monthly leaderboards, maybe they would run a couple of 5ks and then feel like competing in the ultramarathon. Obviously since a month long leaderboard doesn't value the same skills as a tournament the awards could be a little bit different but stil keep the concept of gold silver and bronze. I also think that the competition could be held in the main map. Simply just keep track of monthly points in addition to all time points.



The downside would be we don't know how this would affect main map play. My hope would be it would attract enough attention that the map would be so busy that people wouldn't be able to hide in a corner and pph. Also not sure if it would encourage more qutitting low or bitching out on raids. Anyway it's just an idea I'm throwing out there.

In summary, I'm interested in ways to get more people playing the main map. I don't think keeping a monthly leaderboard and hving a gold silver and bronze award for 1st 2nd and 3rd most points would be a bad idea to try.

[black dragon]

or instead of a new map you just slam hours in the old map like i did so far this month

[Jordann]

What if we had this:

A monthly map. Top places are awarded something. At the end of the month, the finished stats are stored in a top leaderboard (8 pages of 25 per page). All awards are reset except cups and specials.

This means that every month a fresh map and fresh start would occur but it's not for nothing as the totals are piled together at the end of each month. It seems to make sense. Also adds some cool feats for personal and community compitittion like 1 month battys and consecutive 1sts. It gives new players a chance to compete and even if you start late into a month your stats are being carried to an overall top 25 anyways which makes it worth playing.

[SW]

^ That sounds very much like 987's idea, except I think his was yearly.

[sYm]

Ok, this one month tourney is going to be pretty complex and it will definitely need some tweaking due to me just coming up with the idea.

So what I am think is have a month long tourney which would only consist of 10 hours of game play, 1 hour of game play for 3 days a week held at peek hours on one map for that so called month. The ranks and stats are carried over and over all the way to the end. There are some flaws that will need to be fixed for all play styles.

I understand that someone is going to make it to General and not want to die and just PPH the whole time so at the end they have the highest rank and highest PPH. So I came up with other possible ideas that could help fix this problem.

The winners of this tournament will be those with the highest PPH regardless of rank and the kicker of this will be point multipliers. (just a rough draft of how it could be done)

Ranking up and dieing at these ranks give you; Lieutenant 1 Captain 2 Major 3 Colonel 4 General 5

Would need to get to a certain level of points before you die to earn the multiplier?

I cant remember PPH levels per 1 hour tourney but i think its in the range of 50k-75k for top players. Minus the fill for the first tourney the rest of them should see possibly around 100k if not more, so that leaves us at around 1m points per tourney for the best players. For those players that are constantly ranking up and down by not shying away from raids will get those multiplier points.

Those multiplier points will be a percentage of their points. So lets just do a small example of the first day; someone ranks up to major on the first day with 60k points plus the 6 points which turns into 6% which would give them an extra 3600 points. Thats just the first day, after a few more days they move up and down ranks. So lets say they get to 460000 points after 6 tournies, now they have moved around in ranks and they are at 24 points so that gives them a 24% multiplier of their points which give them 570400 total points. While someone that did not die by staying at the same rank and just PPHing might have around 480000 points at 80k per tourney and made the rank of General will only get a 15% multiplier which leaves them at 552000. Which you can see they are very close if they are doing about the same while rewarding those that play the tournies not worried about taking raids.

I mean you could also add in points for being shot so many times or using so many shields also.

So at the end of the tournament will not necessarily be the guy trying to rank up to General by the end of the tournament.

The percentage at each tournament changes so just because they had a 3600 bonus the first day will change each tourney if that bonus percentage moves up but at each day it will add accordingly to show who is the top.

Now it will be hard to see who is the top player due to the top 25 will be based off of ranks which will make it tricky for the players to know who is actually in the lead not knowing who has the top PPH. So this is were I throw in another idea that will make it more fun, after each day is over the top 5 players that are actually ahead in points while change colors for the next tourney they enter IE black or white, so everyone will actually know that those 5 players are the top players but not know which one is actually in first. Those top 5 players stay that color all tourney and if someone passes them at the end of that tourney then the next tourney they go back to their original color while the new guy moves into that top 5 color. Its kind of like a tour de france theme of the yellow jersey I guess?

Also we could manage a 5 person team entry also, of course the top team would also change color. So if the top 5 are black then the top team would change to white. I think it would make those colors targeted more and it would make it harder on them due to them not having the mass amount of colors radaring fuel for them. The players that enter as a team if so happen to be in the top 5 in actual solo score then the top 5 would pull the sixth highest and so fourth, so in the end it will be very unpredictable to who will actually win the whole thing. This could lead to some major excitement.

So actual top 3 winners of the tourney would win a new award or remove the DoT from everyone and the winner of this would get the DoT bronze, silver, and gold. I know its called the defender of truth but its way too cool of an award that should be given to people finding glitches when the community should be turning that stuff in to make the game better instead of for an award. So that might need a name change.

The teams that enter will still have a chance of getting the DoT but if their team wins than they get a new award which will be awarded to all 5 players, which same idea bronze, silver, and gold for the top 3 teams. This award I believe should be like current sports championship trophies. Those teams will hold that award until the end of the next tourney and the new top 3 teams will get those awards. So this award will have to be new and it will always have to be at the very end of all the other awards. With only 5 person teams this could boost the amount of teams and with one of them switching colors it will give a chance for teams of the same color to try to attack the winning team to ruin their PPH. On top of that it will make players want to play their team tank for quite a bit longer in the regular maps.

This gives a rotating award or a team to hold it for months on end. The solo awards will be hard to get and much more rare then the other tournies.

Kind of a lot to get a drift of and I really dont know who else to send it to but I really do think this could turn into a great idea and increase activity.

So what do you think?

[ROLLINGTHUNDER]

was talking about what rollingthunder said

Could care less if they were reset or not? I just want more maps, who wants to play on one map all the time. Gonna probably be busy with Destiny when the beta comes out and halo anyways so this game won't matter.

[DemonicTank]

was talking about what rollingthunder said

Could care less if they were reset or not? I just want more maps, who wants to play on one map all the time. Gonna probably be busy with Destiny when the beta comes out and halo anyways so this game won't matter.