Open to ideas

[SW]

We could try making the game more skillful, if anyone has ideas I'd be open to hearing them. :)

[Jordann]

just a heads up ill be moderating this thread heavily and any off topic banter will be deleted and multiple offenders will be banned. I dont foresee some mind blowing revelation to occur in this thread but ill atleast give it a chance to try.

some suggestions, dont just spam a dozen 1 sentenced ideas. think about your idea, explain every detail about it and than write off the pros and cons. you need to be your biggest critic, especially if you want pure quality.

the first 10 things you think of will probably have already been discussed and turned down. Try and think about the core mechanics of the game and what can draw the players into it. yes some people leave because of a few bad seeds, but thats mainly because theres not enough to offer from tankpit. If there were other entertaining aspects to the game you could bare those players a little more. So try focusing on ideas to keep players attracted to the game as well as some more competitive yet non game changing implementations.

[Krusty]

Did I really just read all of that?

Someone just deleted like 3 paragraphs what's his name wrote in response to lefty

I deleted it because me and lefty spoke on aim instead, he's a cool guy, we go way back 10+ years so no need to go at it on the forums for your amusement.

longer than a month and you're one to talk about cancer rofl, looks like your coup de grace was making wikidz 2.0 and having anyone think you're more than some hypocritical sell out

keep pretending that taking raids makes you and your shitsquad redeemable despite premining, preradaring, making shit up on the forums, killing each other in tournaments, etc etc.

a shadow of what he was

How is he a hypocritical sell out? This is cujo from bf, same guy, still just as good or better. One of the most respectful players in the game minus the coup de grace shit he pulled.

pre-mining .... no.
pre-radaring .... no. Unless you call taking a raid where you just filled pre-radaring then sure.

Then you accuse simpsons of making stuff up but you just made the above 2 points up lol funny big nose. Nothing we have said has been made up.

[cujo]

We could possibly need another tub for this guy..

[BenJamin]

We could try making the game more skillful, if anyone has ideas I'd be open to hearing them. :)

A practice type
Includes:
1. Bots
2. 2 Color options
3. A limit of 5 players at a time
4. 30 minute - 60 minute time limits to raid each other
5. Ranks private to captian
6. Start with full eq a private would have
7. First person out stays out last person wins.

What they would win idk

Is or was there any other awards bf or bonus made that were retired long ago?

[megaGOD]

Well the nature of the game gives the advantage to people who can run the best. There is no skill in running in a turn based game. So there has to be some sort of reward to fighting multiple tanks or a way to make running harder such as higher shot damage. This would really fuck people with slow connections doe so idk.


anyways, more tournaments always helps
also i had a bunch of ideas or mini games. not sure it you rejected those ideas already or i forgot to send them. these mini games would last like 10-30 mins and you can build pts on them or w/e so you don't have to invest 500+ hrs to get to #1 because that's not gonna be appealing to the masses.

also inb4 utank ideas

one more thing, ban people who play solely to piss others off and drive them away from playing

[SW]

All I can really think of right now is reducing the effectiveness of faking, which IMO is the worst part of the game. Points from faking should be so low it's useless. The importance of deactivating high ranked tanks should really be boosted somehow.

[Erock]

All I can really think of right now is reducing the effectiveness of faking, which IMO is the worst part of the game. Points from faking should be so low it's useless. The importance of deactivating high ranked tanks should really be boosted somehow.

Maybe you automatically can rank to whichever rank the higher tank was when you deactivated it? Assuming that you manage to get the points before you get deactivated yourself

[megaGOD]

All I can really think of right now is reducing the effectiveness of faking, which IMO is the worst part of the game. Points from faking should be so low it's useless.

that would be awesome

The importance of deactivating high ranked tanks should really be boosted somehow.

not sure if this would have any impact on the style of play

[HurleY]

The elimination of qing low.

[987]

this is going to end very badly

[Erock]

Maybe taking away the most inactive color until the summer rolls around?

[megaGOD]

The elimination of qing low.

i feel like the feelings on this is unanimous

this is going to end very badly

negative nancy right on cue lol


Here's an idea that just came to mind:
perhaps there should be a pts multiplier for being a minority color. Say there are 15 blues in and 11 reds in, the reds would be rewarded with more pts than the blues for shooting people. This should help balance the colors and stop all the color flippin scrubs FACT.
And you get more pts when there's a bigger discrepancy in colors.

[PRIDE]

The elimination of qing low.

you cant do it in runescape when fighting so why here

no more qing low

[987]

The elimination of qing low.

i feel like the feelings on this is unanimous

this is going to end very badly

negative nancy right on cue lol


Here's an idea that just came to mind:
perhaps there should be a pts multiplier for being a minority color. Say there are 15 blues in and 11 reds in, the reds would be rewarded with more pts than the blues for shooting people. This should help balance the colors and stop all the color flippin scrubs FACT.
And you get more pts when there's a bigger discrepancy in colors.

more like someone who understands game mechanics and can tell by sws post and your own half assed ideas that we are really fucked if we go blindly down this road. there's a reason this isn't a democracy, and anyone who played utanks is probably cringing at the very sight of this thread.

start with raid bonus and eliminating qing below a certain %. the risk:reward on those 2 are lopsided enough in the right direction that there's no reason not too. a lot of the other ideas that seem to make sense intuitively instead just fucking destroy the game mechanic. there's a reason a shitload of people quit bf when dtts got out of control, and a reason why utanks basically imploded. all I'm saying is be careful and try to think about how your ideas might impact the game beyond the obvious/intended

[megaGOD]

yes true, but that's making an assumption that sw will blindly listen to everyone's ideas.

people are just listing ideas and if something sounds good, i'm sure sw will do his due diligence before implementing anything

let me ask you something, are you happy with the game right now?

[BenJamin]

Was there any other awards in battlefield that were taken away or deleted?

[-Kirby-]

On-field referees.

[987]

yes true, but that's making an assumption that sw will blindly listen to everyone's ideas.

people are just listing ideas and if something sounds good, i'm sure sw will do his due diligence before implementing anything

let me ask you something, are you happy with the game right now?

that's a pretty loaded question lol. I suppose the obvious answer is no, seeing as I stopped playing.. however it probably has more to do with the players than the game (surprise surprise)

can the game be better? sure, marginally, although there will always be flaws.

can the game get a hell of a lot worse through ideas that are well intentioned but short-sighted/poorly executed? I hope we don't have to find out.. again.

also for what its worth (unpopular opinion alert, version 84.0) I feel like the utanks branch was much more well equipped to traverse down this road, and look what still happened over there. they lost, to the original version of the game.. mostly (imo) as a result of changes and ideas that looked good at the time.

[megaGOD]

that's a pretty loaded question lol. I suppose the obvious answer is no, seeing as I stopped playing.. however it probably has more to do with the players than the game (surprise surprise)

can the game be better? sure, marginally, although there will always be flaws.

can the game get a hell of a lot worse through ideas that are well intentioned but short-sighted/poorly executed? I hope we don't have to find out.. again.

also for what its worth (unpopular opinion alert, version 84.0) I feel like the utanks branch was much more well equipped to traverse down this road, and look what still happened over there. they lost, to the original version of the game.. mostly (imo) as a result of changes and ideas that looked good at the time.

I agree that it is the players that cause people to stop playing more than the game itself. So why not try to come up with ideas to minimize the impacts of the lame stuff they do that we dont like? such as fk'ing, faking, and color flippin (or w/e you don't like about it)?

also i guess i can see why you would have reservations toward changes based on your utanks experience. but perhaps we can learn from their mistakes and make some better changes, if not, then wouldn't it still be worth a shot? I think so

[-Kirby-]

Newbies should be introduced to the idea of fighting back & generally playing with honor - in other words, an ethics guide should accompany the actual game guide

[PD3.0]

1. How about taking points away from a tank who quits low below a certain percentage. For example, reset them back to 0 points at their current rank. Or take away half of the tanks equipment if they quit low, as if they actually died.


2. More points for being hit by an enemy. This would encourage more/bigger raid taking, as you will receive more points by being hit by more enemies.

[987]

that's a pretty loaded question lol. I suppose the obvious answer is no, seeing as I stopped playing.. however it probably has more to do with the players than the game (surprise surprise)

can the game be better? sure, marginally, although there will always be flaws.

can the game get a hell of a lot worse through ideas that are well intentioned but short-sighted/poorly executed? I hope we don't have to find out.. again.

also for what its worth (unpopular opinion alert, version 84.0) I feel like the utanks branch was much more well equipped to traverse down this road, and look what still happened over there. they lost, to the original version of the game.. mostly (imo) as a result of changes and ideas that looked good at the time.

I agree that it is the players that cause people to stop playing more than the game itself. So why not try to come up with ideas to minimize the impacts of the lame stuff they do that we dont like? such as fk'ing, faking, and color flippin (or w/e you don't like about it)?

also i guess i can see why you would have reservations toward changes based on your utanks experience. but perhaps we can learn from their mistakes and make some better changes, if not, then wouldn't it still be worth a shot? I think so

different players play and enjoy the game for different reasons, and dislike different parts of the game.

the problem is a lot don't seem to understand this (or care, quite frankly), and a lot of people will blindly jump on board with a "solution" without really giving a shit (or even thinking about) the unintended consequences.

who is to determine what is/isn't the "right" or "wrong" way to play the game? what happens to the players who don't agree with that judgment? they'll leave. what happens when the game doesn't even look or feel like the game you fell in love with? utanks, except exponentially worse.

the point here is that you can't please everyone, but you can definitely systematically alienate almost everyone, and it would probably happen a lot faster than you would think.

also for what its worth I think sw has done a damn good job (to date) of navigating that fine line. this thread presents an opportunity to deviate significantly from that, and quite frankly I just don't trust you guys to do it in the right direction. I don't even think its even really possible beyond a point that we're already pretty close to. go look at sws lb suggestions/tips on tp.com and think. the game is what it is for a reason, and we don't need to create some shit that would eventually lose out to the original.. again

[tournamentJESUS]

the game is fine in my opinion. it's what brought us here in the first place

[987]

also for what its worth (and this is probably obvious by now), I think fundamentally changing the points system is one of if not the most dangerous road to be going down, and that's pretty much why my first post in this thread.. yea.

lot of things in this game piss people off (faking, free killing, homer lag, marathoning, etc) but they are (or the option is) there for a reason.

and don't get me wrong, if someone busts out something that I think would work without sabotaging the core intent/beauty of the game, sure ill get on board. not really seeing it so far tho, apart from the obv qlow part

[megaGOD]

@sean

ok so you basically give it zero chance of the game improving post some changes or zero chance of coming up with the perfect idea for a change. To me, upside: sw finds a brilliant idea, 90% of the people are happy some oldies come back along with some newbies. fluke quits because these changes will impact the way he plays. downside: half the people are happy and the other half are pissed off and 10 of the remaining 20 people who are playing will quit and we have another utanks-like ghost town.

but anyways, this is a pointless debate really we will just agree to disagree on that point then. i've been warned and we'll leave it as that.

edit: this was written before previous post

and don't get me wrong, if someone busts out something that I think would work without sabotaging the core intent/beauty of the game, sure ill get on board. not really seeing it so far tho, apart from the obv qlow part

so why not promote it rather than being a negative nancy and shooting things down before you even hear em?

[X-HayS-X]

You want to increase the skill, right? Ban Bluntz, Fluke, and what's his name You get rid of 85% of the cheating. Better yet, Erase their tank name, ability of ingame messaging, and delete all awards. Make them anonymous. Give them the notoriety. It's time the faggots get treated like faggots. Bluntz would lose interest without his awards showing up and his rank/number disappeared. what's his name should be banned from tourneys, he's openly admitted to taking fks from his teammates to help them cup, in tpv2 I might add. I'm just amazed there's still a client base, even if it is the bottom feeders.

[Frost]

The elimination of qing low.

i feel like the feelings on this is unanimous

this is going to end very badly

negative nancy right on cue lol


Here's an idea that just came to mind:
perhaps there should be a pts multiplier for being a minority color. Say there are 15 blues in and 11 reds in, the reds would be rewarded with more pts than the blues for shooting people. This should help balance the colors and stop all the color flippin scrubs FACT.
And you get more pts when there's a bigger discrepancy in colors.

more like someone who understands game mechanics and can tell by sws post and your own half assed ideas that we are really fucked if we go blindly down this road. there's a reason this isn't a democracy, and anyone who played utanks is probably cringing at the very sight of this thread.

start with raid bonus and eliminating qing below a certain %. the risk:reward on those 2 are lopsided enough in the right direction that there's no reason not too. a lot of the other ideas that seem to make sense intuitively instead just fucking destroy the game mechanic. there's a reason a shitload of people quit bf when dtts got out of control, and a reason why utanks basically imploded. all I'm saying is be careful and try to think about how your ideas might impact the game beyond the obvious/intended

Also for what my opinion may be worth, wasn't tankpit (old school BF) brought back for the nostalgia? For the simple fact it was the untainted creation of Bonus, before DTT's and such alike? Screwing with the mechanics of the game would be 20 steps backwards IMHO.
Yes, I play utanks. Why? Because I enjoy the "x5" feel to the game. Smoothness, and other qualities.
No, I don't really play TankPit. I do however pop in from time to time for the nostalgia it brings. A week or so ago I was playing in Rocks & Swamps. Great map.
However, if BF would come back, I'd take that over all other options. The game worked for a reason. It was not perfect.

[Jordann]

reserved

[shermanfrombf]

make it exactly like battlefield was, put the pp back, put the fuel depo back, put the original maps + practice back (especially fucking practice), remove the extra hotkeys, take all the stupid "tweaks" away, leave the community for good and never come back and be completely unbias and anonymous like the original battlefield owners. no new maps they're all pretty terrible exept for like 2 of them.

give the damned players that worked hard for their awards their awards (kyle and jordan)

actually grow some fucking balls and do something about the iv drip of cancer that plagues the game and ruins it for everybody else. sure we're a hateful community of pricks and assholes, but we all know who ruins the game and makes people leave and we wouldn't witchhunt down someone who tries to play the game legit even if we hate the stupid shit they spew all over the forums and want them gone from spite. (me for example, everyone hates me, but they like that i always try on the field regardless of how terrible i am or how annoying as fuck i am on the forums)

perfect replica of how battlefield was before it disappeared. NO tweaks, they retired the lightbulb because the game was sufficient and great enough, your "upgrades" are terrible and that is why tankpit is NOT battlefield. also rename it back to Battlefield, tankpit is a dumb name IMO.

if players want to play battlefield, make it battlefield. anything else is utanks.


my shitty 2c that will probably get misinterperetted as tankpit hatespam even though it's not.