Discussion from color battle Sept 27

[knock]

I want to highlight that in a color battle if a few players from a coordinated team are shooting you every screen or every other screen while you are raiding with a mob...chances are you are being targetted. GET OUT OF THE DAMN MOB. It's hard enough to track 1 tank in a mob of 10...if someone from the other team is shooting you be aware that you are likely targetted...especially when its a team leader.

Props to anyone that took our raids. But I feel like we didn't even exist at times.

[BOSS7]

The game play was beyond gross tonight NOT fun whatsoever. This was nothing like last Sunday night. 8 people jump on 1 kill them then 8 people from another color jump on a different person before they can rank so everyone ended up as a LT.

Thanks for the +points but that was honest to God the WORST I've played TP in the 2 months I've been back. No excuses for my lack of focus/skill tonight.

[987]

The game play was beyond gross tonight NOT fun whatsoever. This was nothing like last Sunday night. 8 people jump on 1 kill them then 8 people from another color jump on a different person before they can rank so everyone ended up as a LT.

Thanks for the +points but that was honest to God the WORST I've played TP in the 2 months I've been back. No excuses for my lack of focus/skill tonight.

eh it only happened like 2-4 times. i know we both got caught, and it sucks and in any team situation im involved in i try to coordinate with other leaders to prevent that shit from happening.

i still think it was a good night minus a few things

[Seven]

When its mob city I will occasionally wonder over to the raid and assist my fellow color. Regardless if its right or not I am going to keep on doing it. Its team work and when its a mob its more than fair. There is really no need for any one tank to be tanking on 6-7+ solo.

Anyway tonight was all over the place for sure.

I would like to +1 those that took (there where lots) and especialy +2 - Samarium - The dude was keeping the orange a little organized compaired to other nights and when he wasnt organizing it seemed like he was dieing from raids.

[HurleY]

Sean I was only targeted once by you guys.

My appologies for not keeping track of all the AoW that took. At least 15 raids taken by AoW, so +15 to them.

[Zenta]

I had a blast all the way down from Col to sarge :)

[BOSS7]

The game play was beyond gross tonight NOT fun whatsoever. This was nothing like last Sunday night. 8 people jump on 1 kill them then 8 people from another color jump on a different person before they can rank so everyone ended up as a LT.

Thanks for the +points but that was honest to God the WORST I've played TP in the 2 months I've been back. No excuses for my lack of focus/skill tonight.

eh it only happened like 2-4 times. i know we both got caught, and it sucks and in any team situation im involved in i try to coordinate with other leaders to prevent that shit from happening.

i still think it was a good night minus a few things

Way more than 2-4. In these types of scenarios where there are multiple team members of elements, aow and comics gameplay should be much more of TEAM battle FFA rather than the 8 on 1 singled out kill, 8 on 1 singled out kill, 8 on 1 singled out kill. THAT is mundane. Before someone tells me I'm just mad about dying I obviously have NO issue fighting on the losing end of a battle. Knock had a good point of peeling off once targeted even if you're IN a mob targeting someone else. (last night) I just don't like the feeling of being on a TEAM with no team component on defense. The rest of you should feel the same. If I wanted to spend the majority of my time at lt I would just stay blue so all three power colors can clusterfuck me whenever I'm in. (this has nothing to do with rank)

[Zenta]

BOSS7, talk to me on AIM sometime about this. I think you did everything right because you took a lot of deaths, as did a lot of us, I went from colonel to sergeant myself. I don't know if we'll ever see 3 colors in again like that but honestly, not many people have been exposed to 3 teams in at once with each team having at least 5-6 members on. I haven't seen something like that ever almost I don't think. But IT WAS FUCKING AWESOME! The only time my team will fall back from taking a raid is when I call a regroup fill cause we are all out of equipment, with most of us being lt-captain it doesnt take long to burn homers and duals. Other than that, it's easy to tell who's turn it is to take if you see 2-3 enemy teammates on you it should throw a flag to think oh shit it's my turn to take the raid. I didn't see anyone from any team skip a raid. For everyone that get's targeted; clearly your more than likely not going to live, but while your taking that raid, don't forget your team is also doing the same exact thing to one of their teammates if everyone is doing their thing based off the common law we have (maybe we should make a topic about the rules of this so everyone knows). That's how it goes and that's what makes it so fun, no matter how many fuckers are jumping you break off(I don't know who didn't but knock said this occurred). Knock, I don't know who you are talking about that didn't break off I am pretty sure every one of my teammates went down at one point, your post was a little broad and it doesn't really give us any idea who or what your talking about so nothing can be addressed or fixed if you don't say the scenario/s without who it happened with.

We need to make a thread about team battles rules and expectations and have every team player and leader sign off on it that they understand if were gonna keep going this deep. Last night was epic. The best night of tank pit since the start.

[X-HayS-X]

I like Bad News before the good.

In a team battle, if I see a captain is attacking some computer bots, I will target you as seeing you don't need to fill, don't then say "brb". I'll respect it, but in a team battle, there isn't a "brb". This is unless you have just taken a raid, and are trying to fill from it. In this case I just described you shouldn't have been targeted again so soon.

Each his own, but saying "brb" becasue you have low eq from raiding my guys isn't a way to play... When battles go on and on like this you will see times where this happens one team is filling from deaths, as one is raiding, then when the other team starts raiding you can fill, but if targeted, TAKE THE RAID.


I'm sure everyone has their own opinion, post it here if you please. I'm just saying what I see.



Overall, last night was great, and even deserved its own topic. That shit was crazy. AoW and Eles at first, we were knocking off each other's members pretty well. Then, comics strengthened up, and a purple mob formed. AoW and Eles broke off against them. Then, it became Eles and Comics. Last night gave me motivation to play more.

Great job to all of the teams present, the majority of the tags will be faggots, but thank you teams for upholding the integrity and taking raids.

[003]

My following statements are for team battles only:
I agree with hays but I'll take it a step futher: there should be absolutely no "brb's" in a team battle. Not after you empty and not if you're low on eq.

If you just got raided, the other team SHOULDN'T be raiding you again. If they do, still take the raid but definitely call them out because that is cruel and disrespectful to raid someone back to back. If you didn't just take a raid, just being low on eq isn't an excuse to not take.

Back in june, there was a horses and Element battle. They raided and killed me and then raided me again while I was filling. I was even holding an obstacle to move it off of eq when they all landed on my screen so I couldn't tele away before the few shields I had picked up were gone. I pretty much exploded at tdk for being such a dick. Later he said he didn't know I was still filling it's w/e now but I think all the teams have been doing a good job of raiding each team member rather than picking on just one member.

Last night, we started to raid Loki but then he said brb so we went to Vamp and then she said brb. In the middle of that Hulk said brb and nobody was even on him. I didn't make it a big deal because it wasn't one (not a specifically scheduled team battle and everyone had taken before or after that anyways) but if we were doing a serious team battle where a winner is determined, that would be disappointing. Just pointing that out.

By the way, the above is just my opinion. It may not be the opinion of all my teammates.

Edit: if you seriously need to rally your troops for a second and take a "timeout" or whatever for a legitimate reason, mention it in the chat so the other team knows. And this isn't meant to be negative. Last night was really fun.

[Zenta]

I like Bad News before the good.

In a team battle, if I see a captain is attacking some computer bots, I will target you as seeing you don't need to fill, don't then say "brb". I'll respect it, but in a team battle, there isn't a "brb". This is unless you have just taken a raid, and are trying to fill from it. In this case I just described you shouldn't have been targeted again so soon.

Each his own, but saying "brb" becasue you have low eq from raiding my guys isn't a way to play... When battles go on and on like this you will see times where this happens one team is filling from deaths, as one is raiding, then when the other team starts raiding you can fill, but if targeted, TAKE THE RAID.


I'm sure everyone has their own opinion, post it here if you please. I'm just saying what I see.



Overall, last night was great, and even deserved its own topic. That shit was crazy. AoW and Eles at first, we were knocking off each other's members pretty well. Then, comics strengthened up, and a purple mob formed. AoW and Eles broke off against them. Then, it became Eles and Comics. Last night gave me motivation to play more.

Great job to all of the teams present, the majority of the tags will be faggots, but thank you teams for upholding the integrity and taking raids.

I don't want to argue on this at all, lets just be constructive please. You are right about the BRB and having the whole team dodge, there should be one sheep take a raid while we fill. One of us should be the scapegoat. I don't mean to call out anyone on your team, though I believe it was Krypton that was out of duals when we hopped on him and he kinda flukeishly hopped around to take the raid but it wasn't really taking the raid and we eventually had to switch targets. I am sure my teammates remember as well when this happened, there was so many raids it's hard to keep up with the right names. I apologize if it wasn't Krypton, but anyway the whole team was on him and just kinda hopped around shooting one single here and there and didn't take because he had no equipment. I don't know if he said BRB but he definitely didnt give us a hard fought back raid like I'm assuming Loki did. Rewind to early in the evening when you guys first came in, I was trying to start off a raid on ELEGANCE but it didn't happen and instead me and him shot each other a ton with duals 1 on 1, I was already low on armors from the snipers and was in a terrible unradared area, I ran out of duals but I definitely didn't say BRB I just kept fighting until I eventually died. I understand what your saying and your right. But if my whole team is empty we are not going to sit and get picked off one by one with no equipment. Last night while we were filling Loki sacrificed himself so we could fill that seems like the logical thing to do. The same should have happened with whatever element that was, Krypton I think. Just as I did when I had no duals and what Loki did when the rest of us filled. I didn't call out Krypton from this situation cause it was a small piece of a whole team battle that was great but you just brought up a topic that none of us actually did but mentioned for the future.

After the AoW left, we wasn't really a purple mob on you guys as we had at least 5 teammates I'd say with 2-3 tags. In fact, I'd call it an even battle as I watched the numbers closely to make sure what we were up against. You guys had more teammates in than us and a couple tags. I was checking the X button for active forces and the numbers were even for the amount of players in the whole time and it was back and forth fluctuating by one extra player on either side of the force. It was definitely even forces. The purple tags that were in actually were calling for help on different targets then we were on at times because they were all high ranks and we were more concerned about picking off elements no matter the rank. Last night we had Hulk, Vampirella, Cable, Constantine, Loki, Beast. Our tags were Illumaniti, ExEcUtIoNeR, and I don't recall many others...You guys had Gold, Krypton, Oxygen, Uranium, Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Samurai, Titanium along with weekend nachos, diablo...

And like you said. There's no point in nit picking the little things like I mentioned and what you suggested was wrong randomly for you guys in a situation last night as well. Either way, I am happy things are starting to heat up and I look forward to keep battling. A lot of my teammates are very fresh and new to team battles so for how well it went I have no complaints and feel everything went very strong no matter how fresh they are to team battles; I am very proud to be on this team with them after how well they did last night. I am very happy with what we got going.

[003]

...You guys had Gold, Krypton, Oxygen, Uranium, Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Samurai, Titanium along with weekend nachos, diablo...

I didn't know Samurai was an Element. Sounds more like a deadliest warrior to me (Ik you mean Samarium )

In all seriousness, the numbers were pretty even last night while I was in for the orange vs purple. Sure they fluctuate a little bit but that can't be helped. Anyways, I don't want an argument. I'd like an outside (AoW maybe?) opinion on the brb thing. We could also have a team leader meeting or w/e if we really think we need to make clearer expectations for team battle rules.

[Zenta]

I didn't see your post until after 003. Pretty much what I'm saying in my post is yeah well let a sheep go get raided and he will call Come Get Me if we are in that situation were we are all filling. You guys can pick that one guy saying come get me last night that was, Loki, while the rest of us filled. I don't see anything wrong with that and that is what we did. It isn't like we were like TIME OUT we are filling, we had Loki take the raid and the rest of us filled. It's the easiest way to stay organized and prevent you guys from capitalizing on us not having equipment picking each of us off 1 by 1. That's completely fair to me and it's good strategy. In a team battle if 2+ people die quickly with no deaths on the other side eventually it can turn into a shit show.

[Zenta]

LOL Samuari - You keep posting while I'm typing you a message 003. Opps I meant Samarium lol. Like I said earlier. Apparently knock is upset at some portion of last night, it was so broad of a message I can't tell who he is referring to though I think it's best that all of us work together and make a thread on the expectations of a team battle so that in the future we have a basis of common ground for everyone

[X-HayS-X]

We did have all of those elements in over the course of 3 hours, not the entire time, Idk what you were trying to get there. When we took control we had Uranium, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Samarium, Titanium, Hydrogen, Krypton and some tags. Nitrogen and Oxygen didn't come in till later, and this being the death knell.

Krypton had just been raided, he was still filling eq when you guys targeted him, that's why I brought that up... Also, you said, " you want us to sit around and get picked off." No, I want you to continue to fill, but if a raid comes your way, take it.

It may have been a mistake by you guys not realizing it, no big deal, but that statement was incorrect. I remember exactly what you were talking about. As you said, you have new members and I expect some things like this to occur, and it's fine, the overall picture was great.

I expect this to be the last post of a semi (non heated) argument, as it is only to clarify what seems muddy water. It was a fun night with plenty of deaths and I'm proud of the way all played. Keep up the great work.

[987]

my position on the brb thing doesn't necessarily reflect the AoW position so i'll just hold the tongue for now

[Zenta]

Like I said, a lot of people have a lot of different ideas/policies. I think we need to make a post of the unsaid tank pit team battle constitution of sorts lol.

[Shah]

I did say Brb when only 1 ele was on me I believe krypton. I said it to pick a few more ERs and then I saw nameless jumped in too so i assumed i m the taget and called Come get me and then died :( golden tank was moving a lot which caused me to burn all my shields. It was fun being back hopefully activity stays like this. Ill try to be on more.
-Loki

[Shah]

And we should definetly set up team battles.

[knock]

I felt like many times it was obvious that we were trying to peel off certain players. Yes sometimes it may be hard to notice but if someone is being shot by AoW's even every other screen in a large mob...they should realize they are the target. We aren't just shooting random people when we have enough to raid and I felt like some people didn't understand that. Mobs are hard to keep up with..very hard to keep track of 1 tank out of 10 more of that color if they keep moving. This is just something that should be kept in mind by everyone imo, wanted to say it. There was one strech from TL to BL where we couldn't pick out a single target out of the mob trying 4 different people and hitting them all effectively at times.

So in conclusion...if members from an organized team are getting even a couple shots off on you and have enough to raid, one might be prudent to assume they are the target in a large mob due to how hard it is to keep finding the target. They aren't shooting you for shits and giggles if they got enough to raid.

And about the "brb" thing...nobody should ever be allowed to BRB in a color/team battle unless they were just killed. In that case, run from the raiders because they know they just killed you and should know better? BRB would help here too.

[invazn]

Easy solution. Just stop saying BRB. If you have no equip, run your ass off. I fucking HATE "be right back."

[Seven]

Easier solution go hard or go home. In massive battles like yesterday there are bound to be a few mistakes its best to just look past them and have fun.

[eldawg51]

I always thought 'BRB' was for "Hey, I gotta go take a crap and fap." That is of course one possible interpretation. Nowadays it could mean "Gotta " or "My girl wants to , be back in five." All acceptable uses for the 'BRB' IMO.

[UNBREAK]

From what I remember, certain teams in the past used BRB to regroup. I followed a few on their screens, some where just mining fuel and waiting for the entire team to be on the same page and launch their own raid. I dont think BRB should be tolerated for that. Anyhow that was a long time ago.

I think in team battle there is no BRB, unless you just got killed, meaning empty shield and low on everything else, it's retarded if another team raids you. If that's allowed as strategy, I would target the same tank till he is at recruit and make sure he has 0 chance to contribute positively to his team for the duration of the team battle.

Can you guys have some official times for team battle? I want be able to make it.

[X-HayS-X]

If AoW wants to actually ever try and get one scheduled it'd be possible. We need to keep it low key though, and between us. This way we limit the number of tags.

[knock]

It's just too hard to plan. I never "plan" certain times to play the game...I just play when I feel like it. Therefore I won't "plan" a time for AoW to be on....but what we could do is have team leaders message each other when they have enough on to battle. More coordination from the top imo.

Maybe crusher is willing to plan a set time, it's just not my style. I don't wanna play TP because I have to.

[Warrior]

Red was less in numbers but I think we did some damage while aow was in. That was a good time though tons of People in and raids everywhere at time like3-4 different raids great time..

[eldawg51]

It's just too hard to plan. I never "plan" certain times to play the game...I just play when I feel like it. Therefore I won't "plan" a time for AoW to be on....but what we could do is have team leaders message each other when they have enough on to battle. More coordination from the top imo.

Maybe crusher is willing to plan a set time, it's just not my style. I don't wanna play TP because I have to.

True, shouldn't be a job, it's recreation and should be fun. When Tankpit comes back up ill be putting on work though, because I like winning. Winning is fun to me.